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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/6/2003 6:32 pm  
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Tuesday, August 5, 2003

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Former Homosexual Minister Warns

Episcopal Church of "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing"

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HUNTINGTON, CT - Stephen Bennett, a former homosexual turned Christian

Evangelist who ministers to the 'gay' and lesbian community, warns the

Episcopal Church of a "wolf" in the flock. Bennett believes in the strong

biblical prohibition of homosexuality.

V. Gene Robinson, bishop-elect of New Hampshire, is one of the founders of

www.outright.org. The website is geared toward youth ages 22 and under who

are questioning their sexuality - and are encouraged to give homosexuality a

try. The bishop-elect is openly "gay" and in a homosexual relationship.

"The website is nothing but a front for luring and recruiting young and

innocent youth into the world of homosexuality," said Bennett.

Controversy over a link to hardcore "gay" porn on the website (removed as of

Monday) is one of the items at the heart of the scandal. Bennett says

there is a lot more on the website the public should be concerned about.

Bennett discovered that current links from www.outright.org include websites

promoting cross dressing, transgenderism (girls becoming boys and boys

becoming girls), polymory (the practice of sex with multiple partners within

marriage), links to the militant "gay" activist group "ACT UP", condomania -

showing descriptive pictures of every kind of condom and sex toy imaginable

xxxxx , hardcore "gay" pornography and

much more.

Bennett says that in only two clicks one would be on a website touting

millions of hardcore "gay" porn images. This is unimaginable on a site

designed for youth - especially having a clergyman as one of its founders.

"This is the bishop that is to lead the Episcopal Church? Is bishop-elect

Robinson going to introduce the Episcopal Church to polymory next, as

promoted on this website? xxxx  This is to be the spiritual,

moral leader of the Episcopal Church? It is absolutely blasphemous and

unthinkable that a denomination would even be considering a man like this

who is linked to such vile, aberrant websites." Bennett continued, "This is

a wolf in sheep's clothing."

Stephen lived the "gay" lifestyle for 11 years, sexually active with over

100 men, many whom are dead today from AIDS. He left the "gay" lifestyle in

1992 when he became a Christian. Today, he is happily married for over ten

years to his wife and he is the father of their two little children.

Today, Bennett warns America of the truths and dangers of the homosexual

lifestyle.

"Don't be fooled. Homosexuality is about one thing and one thing only - GAY

SEX. Believe me - I know - I've been there."

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Visit Stephen Bennett Ministries on-line at www.SBMinistries.org

Copyright 2003 - Stephen Bennett Ministries

 



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  From:  boodada   8/6/2003 6:46 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (2 of 17)  
 
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Great post, brother David 
I just finished a book on preventing homosexuality by psychologist Joseph Nicolosi (and his wife, Linda). 

I highly recommend this book!
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/6/2003 7:05 pm  
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Hi Boodada,

 

Amazingly this has to be another End Time reference as we are truly living in times of Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

God Bless You Brother,
David

 



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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     8/7/2003 10:58 am  
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Hi David,

I just listened to the newscast last night concerning having a gay man in position of bishop.  It looks like the tares are finally coming out of the wheat field....

What really is horrifying is that people are not listening to God, they have turned a deaf ear to Him.  It isn't enough that the man is a homosexual, but is a practicing homosexual, that is he is opening fornicating and it is alright for those who are underneath his leadership.  

Doesn't God tell us not to fellowship with darkness?  Doesn't He tells us not to associate or eat with wickedness?  The church has joined the secular movement of accepting perverted behavior as positive behavior.  

Calling good evil and evil good is perverted and will get THAT church in lots of trouble.  

As I have said this before and I am saying it again.  God is weeding His church and you will see more of mainline churches falling to the wayside in sin, and perhaps never to find their way back on the road to heaven, but staying on the road to perdition.

  
2 Peter 2:1-22
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 
2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 
3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 
5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 
6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 
7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 
8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)-- 
9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 
10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, 
11 whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord. 
12 But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption, 
13 and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, 
14 having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, beguiling unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children. 
15 They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 
16 but he was rebuked for his iniquity: a dumb donkey speaking with a man's voice restrained the madness of the prophet. 
17 These are wells without water, clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever. 
18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. 
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. 
20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 
21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 
22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: "A dog returns to his own vomit," and, "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire." 

 


         

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/7/2003 11:33 am  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (5 of 17)  
 
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That Church is a gigantic mess!!

 

It looks like they were so intent on electing this fool that they engaged in a gigantic cover up of his despicable activities just to make a statement.

 

I saw him on the news yesterday and he had the audacity to claim that he sees this as a work of God and that God is calling gays and lesbians into the ministry.

 

Also it was funny that one news commentator said that the issue wasnt that he is gay the issue is that people cant criticize their leaders. When you can't examine your human leaders you are in with the wrong people, but of course they judge God every moment and criticize Him non-stop.

 

Im furious over this and am just now looking for an address to write that Church and tell them that they are so disgusting that now they are Totally Irrelevant in any matters Christian.

 

What decent Christian or loving family would want to take part in their activities. I hope people have the strength to flee from that ungodly abomination.

 

Considering the evil days that we live in that Church could become more popular but you know that Hell is going to be a crowded place and few are they that find Life.

 

God Bless You,

David

 



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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     8/7/2003 12:32 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (6 of 17)  
 
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David,

I am equally saddened by this body of churchgoers.

The problem lies in the fact that the media, the agenda of Satan, has inundated the idea that homosexuality is not a spiritual problem, not a genetic problem, but a choice and some say without a choice.  If you break it down into fornication or adultery of which homosexuality is fornication or adultery if the homosexual is married or has been married; it is sexual sin.

There is evidence in the bible that homosexuality is in the genes through bloodline curses.

There is evidence that is is also seen as intersex [today's term], of which in the bible it is called the 'natural' eunuch.  This is where a person is born with both sets of sexual organs [complete or incomplete].

Because of the media hype, we are going to be known as bigots and right wingers...and this simply is not true, we are not bigot...we are Christians following the commands, laws, and statutes of God.  

How would it be if he had said, 'Look, I love little girls....let me lead you.'  or 'Look, I love to have sex with your wife or your daughter...let me lead you.'  No one would have given him a position and would have completely understood that this is not God's way....but when it comes to the 'sensitive gay' we are to tolerate the sin.  In no way, are these people operating with piety, but in wickedness....oh woe to these people who allow this, woe to those people who do not protest, and woe to these people who stay within this fraction of religion and call it good.

True the antichrist is being ushered in.

 

 

         




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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/7/2003 12:40 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (7 of 17)  
 
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Yes,

 

Homosexuals are the one group who wants their sins legitimized. 

 

I am really thanking God day by day that I care less and less about how the world defines me. 

 

They will always call us names but God calls us "Blessed" and God is who I try to listen to and to focus upon!

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/8/2003 5:14 pm  
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The above post was not in favor of the homosexual church it was just graphic.

 

David



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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    8/22/2003 10:10 am  
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I am sorry about this whole situation, but as you both said, it is a sign of the times.   Very incredible.
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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    8/22/2003 10:20 am  
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i went to that site:  outright.org.  this is from a link on that site:  'CUFSmaine.'   look at this:

"Interest in BDSM or other Alternative Lifestyle is healthy, normal, hardwired behavior, not a choice or an option. "

completely incredible, ay???

so this is what these young folks need to see..ugh.

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/22/2003 3:52 pm  
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I tried to keep a close watch on that Church election just to see if there was going to be any fair or accurate dialogue about his participation on homosexuality and they did everything to cover it up.

 

This was the sham of all shams and it happened in a Church.

 

The Church which is tasked by God to defend and to be a father to the fatherless and to the needy is now becoming the structure for homosexual predatory action against children the very people we are to defend.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    8/23/2003 8:19 am  
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surreal, isn't it?  I am not surprised, but it is still amazing to watch nonetheless.  

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/23/2003 12:46 pm  
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I posted on the wrong topic so I deleted it and am posting it again at the correct topic.

God Bless You,
David



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From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/26/2003 10:50 pm  
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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030825-112403-9478r.htm

Dioceses threaten to cut off their tithes

By Julia Duin

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Unable to block the recent election of the first openly homosexual Episcopal bishop, conservatives in the Episcopal Church are threatening to try to bankrupt the denomination's liberal leadership. 

Although only Bishop Stephen Jecko of the Diocese of Florida has actually cut off funds to church headquarters in New York, several conservative dioceses are meeting in September to vote on whether to cut off substantial monthly contributions. 

The Rev. V. Gene Robinson was confirmed at the Episcopal General Convention in Minneapolis as bishop of New Hampshire earlier this month by the votes of two assemblies  one composed of bishops, and the other of lay members and clergy. 

Forty-three bishops voted against confirming Bishop Robinson, with 62 in favor. In the other house, the delegations from 32 dioceses voted against Bishop Robinson. Another 13 diocesan delegations were divided, and 63 voted for the cleric. 

With a $48 million yearly budget at stake, not to mention billions worth of assets and church property, dissenting dioceses could do serious damage if they all withheld funds. 

The Florida diocese, which is based in Jacksonville, is diverting its $16,562 monthly assessment  beginning with its July payment  into an escrow account for an indefinite time. 

Bishop Jecko said he "will not remain silent when the General Convention has repudiated the plain teaching of Scripture." 

The selection of Bishop Robinson put Episcopalians in such bad repute in north Florida, he added, that even officials at a local prison resisted allowing church members in to minister to inmates. 

Adding fuel to the fire, Episcopal bishops and deputies also passed a resolution at the General Convention allowing each diocese to decide whether to conduct same-sex "blessings." 

A conservative Episcopal Web site, www.CommunionParishes.org, has posted "a plan for withholding funds" that could apply to other dioceses, especially those whose lay delegates voted against Bishop Robinson. 

As for the online petition, 52 congregations in 20 states, 320 priests and 16 bishops have so far endorsed it. The Rev. Don Armstrong, rector of 2,300-member Grace and St. Stephen's Church in Colorado Springs, which operates the CommunionParishes site, estimates conservative parishes make up one-third of the denomination's 7,364 churches. 

"They have more money and are larger and probably represent 70 percent of the church's income," he said. "In terms of cash flow, the Episcopal Church is going to lose 70 percent of its income. 

"[Liberal] bishops think we conservatives will get over all this, but most conservative rectors [senior pastors] I know have foregone their vacations this summer and are working against this. We are calling for the discipline of liberal American bishops, and we are going to withhold funds big time." 

His church, for instance, is cutting its $100,000 annual assessment to $15,000, starting next year. 

Withholding funds in order to change church policy is a recent phenomenon in the 70-million-member Anglican Communion, of which the Episcopal Church is one part. When the Rev. Jeffrey Johns was appointed this spring to be the next bishop of Reading, England, threats from evangelical Anglicans to withhold millions of pounds from church coffers is believed to have induced Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams to talk Mr. Johns into giving up his position. 

"Criticism will be that one should not use money to influence church policy but simply trust ecclesiastical leadership," retired South Carolina Episcopal Bishop Fitzsimons Allison wrote in an Aug. 12 letter distributed on Episcopal e-mail lists. 

"To ask people to put their treasure where their heart is and use that treasure to do precisely what givers believe to be unbiblical and un-Christian is immoral," he wrote. 

But Tom Hershkowitz, comptroller for the Domestic and Foreign Missionary Society  the corporate name for the 2.3-million-member Episcopal Church  says many conservatives will have to opt out to make a dent in church finances. 

About 60 percent of the church's $48 million annual budget comes from 100 dioceses, he said, and the rest comes from endowment income, government grants and sales of church publications. 

"If one diocese withholds, it doesn't have that much impact," he said. "It's not something we are happy about, but at the end of the day, it won't make a big difference." 

Presently, about one-third  38  of Episcopal dioceses are giving less than the 21 percent assessment mandated by the church, causing a $4.7 annual shortfall in funds. Some of the dioceses are too poor to afford giving away one-fifth of their budget; others, such as the Diocese of Fort Worth, Texas, are holding back money over disagreements with the church's liberal leaders. 

Thus, instead of the annual $300,000 assessment that Fort Worth has been asked to donate to church coffers, it is donating $80,000 per year instead. 

Like many dioceses, Fort Worth allows individuals and parishes to redirect funds away from the national church into local or mission funds. The $80,000 represents those who wish to contribute to the national church budget. 

Other conservative dioceses that have cut back include the Diocese of Central Florida, based in Orlando, which only gives 12 percent of its assessment, and the Diocese of Texas, based in Houston, which gives only 8 percent. 

Dioceses are independent entities whose annual giving in 2001 ranged from $3.7 million from the Diocese of Virginia to $266,514 from the Diocese of Quincy, Ill. 

But individual parishes can make a dent in diocesan giving. At an Aug. 10 congregational meeting at the second-largest parish in the Diocese of Virginia, Truro Episcopal Church in Fairfax, 504 members signed a "a statement of disassociation" with the actions of the General Convention. 

Immediately afterwards, its vestry  or governing board  voted to put in escrow its $11,250 monthly payment to the diocese. 

Since dioceses cannot be forced to give their 21 percent assessment to the denomination, pressure has to be put on bishops to comply, Mr. Hershkowitz said. Nineteen dioceses have actually increased their giving in the past three years, he added, to bring to 62 the number of dioceses that are paying their assessments. 

This is roughly the same number of dioceses that approved Bishop Robinson's election. 




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From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/24/2003 12:40 pm  
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20030923-114936-4460r.htm

Episcopalians voice outrage on gay bishop

By Julia Duin

THE WASHINGTON TIMES


An overflow crowd of Episcopalians gathered at Virginia Theological Seminary last night and clashed with bishops and lay leaders of the Diocese of Virginia over the recent election of an openly homosexual bishop. 

Hundreds of parishioners from around Northern Virginia, the most conservative part of the 86,527-member diocese, crammed into an auditorium at the Alexandria seminary. 

Those who disagreed with the ordination outnumbered supporters by a 4-1 ratio among attendees who got the chance to speak. 

"People are up in arms and outraged about this decision," said Bruce Mason, a spokesman with the American Anglican Council, which organized a protest vigil before the meeting. 

The Episcopal Diocese of Virginia called the meeting to give parishioners a chance to tell Diocesan Bishop Peter J. Lee and Assistant Bishops Francis Gray and David Jones what they thought of the election of Canon V. Gene Robinson, a homosexual, as the new bishop of New Hampshire. 

Bishop Lee and six of the eight-member Virginia delegation voted to ratify New Hampshire's election, which the Episcopal General Convention approved in Minneapolis on Aug. 5. However, the diocese itself does not ordain openly homosexual priests. 

"We are deeply grieved and disappointed," Robert Call, a parishioner from Holy Spirit Episcopal Church in Ashburn, told Bishop Lee. "You and like-minded bishops have caused a schism." 

Bill Harding, a parishioner from St. Margaret's Episcopal Church in Woodbridge, told the three bishops he was "disappointed" that they didn't see their own "hypocrisy." 

"How can you justify a statement saying sexual immorality is good and acceptable in New Hampshire, but not good in Virginia?" Mr. Harding asked. 

The audience began to laugh when he added: "Where geographically between New Hampshire and Virginia does a moral lifestyle transition to an immoral lifestyle?" 

A few Episcopalians congratulated Bishop Lee and the Virginia delegation for their votes. Melinda Artman, a member of Integrity, the homosexual Episcopal caucus, thanked the delegation "for allowing the Holy Spirit to guide you." 

"The members of Integrity will not abandon the Episcopal Church," she added. 

Although the number of persons allowed into the auditorium was capped at 400, dozens more stood outside holding candles and a protest banner draped in black. 

"We are deeply disappointed in our bishop, who has kicked us in the stomach," said Betsy Stalcup, a member of the Church of the Apostles in Fairfax. "It's very clear that sexuality is between a man and a woman." 

The Rev. Tom Herrick, vicar of Christ the Redeemer Church in Centerville, said the decision to elect a practicing homosexual as a bishop was "in error." 

"So we are here to pray for our leaders and the church," he said. 

Delegates at the Minneapolis convention also passed a resolution that allowed local churches to bless same-sex unions. 

Thousands of Episcopalians around the country have protested both votes and the archbishop of Canterbury has scheduled an emergency session next month in London about the matter. The formal consecration of Bishop Robinson is set for Nov. 2. 

The meeting was one of seven around the diocese to get feedback about the Robinson election. Previous meetings  on Sept. 15 in Christchurch, Va., and Monday night in Richmond  attracted 325 and 400 persons, respectively. Because of the high level of interest in Northern Virginia, where the diocese's four largest parishes are located, another meeting is scheduled for Sept. 30 at St. John's Episcopal Church in McLean. 

The title of the meetings: "Honoring Disagreement, Staying in Community," seemed to hint that dissenting parishes are expected to remain in the fold. 

Bishop Lee has indicated he may sue any of his 187 parishes that try to leave with its property. The Diocese of Virginia is the Episcopal Church's largest. 

Once inside the auditorium, local Episcopalians had to wait through 45 minutes of speeches by diocesan bishops and General Convention delegates before they could approach the microphones. 

"More time is given for the bishops and deputies to report than for any question or comment," said Malcolm Phillips, a local Episcopalian. "Why waste people's time with this? Unless you have been living in a cave or under a rock someplace, everyone knows all that is needed prior to this meeting, no matter where you stand." 

Speeches were then limited to two minutes per person and no more than one person from any congregation could speak until someone from each of the numerous congregations present had spoken. 

 

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